How To Get Gas Cap Off Without Key Written By Saragosa Finand1943 Wednesday, January 4, 2023 Add Comment Edit How-do-you-do Guys, I only picked up a 1983 Yamaha xj750 Seca with the intention of using it for parts, merely information technology's pretty decent so I'grand thinking of getting information technology up and running (forth with my 82 xj750 Saying and my 85 xj700n Saying). Wanted to see if it runs, so I put in a battery, turned on the fuel and cranked it over. I have the cardinal to the ignition, simply somewhere down the line the fuel tank cap must have been replaced and it must be another key every bit this 1 won't work. The guy I bought information technology from volition non respond to my calls and emails, so I think he was aware of this and is fugitive me. None-the-less, I'thou hoping the collective minds on this great forum will be able to come up up with a solution. Other than drilling a gigantic pigsty in the cap to remove information technology that is... Not that I heed making large holes in things or breaking stuff, that's always fun...but non overly productive at times... Thanks in accelerate Gord FtUp Well-Known Member welcome to the forum. without the central, there are only 2 options. jamb a regular screwdriver where the key would go and employ a pair of vice grips to forcefulness it open up ( I have done this), or drill out the lock cylinder. the latter will allow you to rebuild the main body of the cap but either way you will need another cap for parts. they aren't hard to come by. FU The quick reply is if y'all don't want to go to a locksmith you can withal effort to pick information technology but y'all'd need a lot of patience and the proper tools. If y'all tin can advisedly pry the chrome comprehend off (tabs are at the swivel end) you can at least come across which one of the 4 types of main keys information technology needs, but y'all would all the same need the code. Does the bike have a helmet lock? does it have the same problem, different cardinal that the ignition? If aye and yep, the ignition may take been replaced only the gas cap and helmet lock are an original match. I'm non certain, but the helmet lock, if you can remove it, might have a code stamped on the back. Bring that code to the locksmith with the removed helmet lock, and for $10-$15 they can cutting a cardinal for that. With luck, it fits the gas cap besides. Otherwise, like cyclenoob says, consider the tumbler equally expendable and pry it open. Another replacement gas cap is piece of cake to source, and if you still want everything to open with one key there is a way to do that too - PM me for details if/when you lot go to that stage. One discussion of caution - if the bike sat outside for a long time, fifty-fifty the correct key may non allow a seized cylinder to plow - happened to me. With lube and patience, I finally got mine open. I have a matching prepare of helmet lock, gas cap, and ignition but unfortunately they are for a Seca 550 otherwise I'd offer them up to you as y'all are not too far away for shipping. Thanks CN, Looks like I get to have a bit of fun wrecking things after all I'll follow up with a postal service on how information technology goes. -Gord- What CN and 4nik8r said or take the tank to a old schoolhouse locksmith nicknamed "Peanut" similar i did and have him option the lock and paw file a primal. Gary H. Post edit: @4nik8r... you type too fast. Last edited: Jan 15, 2015 Thanks 4nik8r, I'll endeavour that before wrecking it, and I'll see if the ignition key works with the helmet locks equally you mentioned. I have been squirting WD40 into the key slot for the final couple of days and fluctuant the key (advisedly as to not suspension my only working ignition cardinal for the bike). It feels quite firm as though it is the incorrect key. I see you are (relatively) close by (Ottawa is 275 km eastward of me), too bad, that would have been a quick solution to swap out everything. Oh well, no pain no proceeds. I'll encounter how it goes in the am and post the results. Thanks again CN and cheers for taking the time to respond 4nik8r. Thank you Gary, we demand more "peanut"southward out at that place. Dearest the sometime schoolhouse guys who tin can work miracles with cypher If I find a guy like that in eastern Ontario I'll postal service it. You're welcome. I have a parts 550 Seca that I'm slowly divesting; if you find later need other parts in that location are a few that are interchangeable between the models (some electrics, minor parts, engine covers, etc.) chacal Moderator Moderator Supporting Vendor Premium Member P.S. If y'all lose your cardinal(southward), or obtain a used gas tank that still has a (locked) cap on it merely with no key, so it may be fourth dimension for you to learn the ancient art of lock-picking: http://www.capricorn.org/~akira/home/lockpick/ Thanks Chacal, with that info I'm headed over to pick that night deposit box at the bank. So I can buy all the gas caps I want! Bwahahahaha!! Okay, so the key works in the ignition and the helmet lock, and then I'm thinking the cap was changed at one point. The fuel tank is empty...could information technology be that the reason this seller sold the bike for a low cost is because he couldn't go fuel into information technology (after losing the cardinal)? Nah...couldn't exist that lucky... Does the key really fit the slot, simply simply does non plow the tumbler, or does the key not fifty-fifty fit in the slot? There are iv unlike types of key "masters" used on these bikes. If the slot is different than the one for your key, the primal will not fifty-fifty slide in and for sure the cap was changed and you'd demand to break the tumbler or get it picked. HOWEVER.....if the key does fit into the slot but simply will not turn - your cap machinery may simply be seized from age and rust/crud like mine was. If that is the case, there is hope! Allow me know...... Hi 4nik8r, The key fits into the slot, just won't turn equally you mentioned. Here's a dumb question...Are yous pushing down on the cap earlier trying to plow the primal? Equally 4nik8r stated; rust, corrosion and a deteriorated cap seal may be binding it. Gary H. Hello Gary, No such affair as a impaired question, I have been pushing, pulling, twisting and every affair else short of destroying it while trying to turn the key. But that is a good question, it may take been that simple and I may take missed it, thanks. So here's your adjacent steps: ane. Kroil the snot out of the key slot and insert the key slowly in and out until y'all can actually experience the fundamental moving the locking pins. Wiggle the key "northward-due south" a lot and run across if you feel the pins placing whatever pressure confronting the fundamental as yous insert and remove it. If you don't accept Kroil use some other good penetrating lubricant. 2. If the key does non feel like its "engaging" any pins, those pins may be stuck and y'all may need something else in in that location to loosen them upwards. Refer back to that lock picking commodity Len posted for some expert tips of what to use (on the last folio) 3. If information technology feels similar the pins move but the lock cylinder won't turn (that was my event), effort to commencement pry off the chrome cap encompass, then the chrome cylinder cover (be conscientious that ane bends hands and has a tiny flap with hinge) At present utilize lost of Kroil/lube effectually the cylinder mating surface from the top. 4. If this still doesn't allow the key to plow it, now try using your penetrating lubricant with the applicator harbinger on the nozzle underneath the cap - use a screwdriver or other wedge to gently pry the cap up as far as possible at the 12 o'clock position, and then squirt lube in as close to tin can to the underside of the cap on each side (three o'clock and 9 o'clock). Endeavour to become lots of lube right in there, don't worry well-nigh getting information technology in the tank. The ii locking artillery may exist crudded up within non allowing the pinion connected to the cylinder to plough them Patience is key (no pun intended). Work that key with on and off clockwise pressure; just don't apply so much torque that y'all bend or (god forbid) break it, and endeavor shifting the pressure north and south in the slot as well as y'all plow. Eventually, if the primal is right, that cylinder should turn. Also, is this in a cold garage or a warm workshop? Heat volition be your friend. If the cycle is in the cold, use a rut source similar a hair dryer to locally warm your working surface area. FtUp Well-Known Fellow member if you don't have a spare central, y'all may want to get one made in case you suspension your original. merely a thought. FU Yeah, spent the afternoon looking for a place that would make a spare key for me. Unfortunately the moment you mention "motorbike" yous can see the reaction coming..."oh no, nosotros don't brand keys for motorcycles..." Oh male child. I live out in the country, not a lot of choices out here. I guess next fourth dimension I'm heading into the city I'll drop past a proper locksmith shop. I was out wiggling away at the gas cap with the primal and several gallons of WD40 (no "kroil" as this is the get-go time I've heard of it). Northward South, in out, too craven to give it much of a turn without a spare. I did rut it upward with a pigment peeler (kind've like a hairdryer on steroids) equally I'm working in an unheated barn and it'southward minus 12 Celsius out at that place today. I did talk with a guy who said he can make a spare cardinal with only a photograph, I'll see how that goes and if it works I'll mail service it here. Thanks again to everyone for your directions and comments, I'm hoping it's only a stuck cylinder...to be continued once have a spare key in my mitt. - Gord in Ontario - FtUp Well-Known Member just so you know, you can buy uncut key blanks on ebay for cheap, so have a local locksmith cut it for y'all. there are some neat ones out of bulgaria. I got this one for my bike... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Blank-Custo...parel_Merchandise&hash=item56333ff820&vxp=mtr I even establish matching license plate bolts. FU You lot are a flamboyant guy CN I'm good with the $two model. Share This Page Source: https://www.xjbikes.com/forums/threads/fuel-tank-without-key-to-the-cap-how-do-i-remove-or-open-the-cap.48381/ Share this post
How-do-you-do Guys, I only picked up a 1983 Yamaha xj750 Seca with the intention of using it for parts, merely information technology's pretty decent so I'grand thinking of getting information technology up and running (forth with my 82 xj750 Saying and my 85 xj700n Saying). Wanted to see if it runs, so I put in a battery, turned on the fuel and cranked it over. I have the cardinal to the ignition, simply somewhere down the line the fuel tank cap must have been replaced and it must be another key every bit this 1 won't work. The guy I bought information technology from volition non respond to my calls and emails, so I think he was aware of this and is fugitive me. None-the-less, I'thou hoping the collective minds on this great forum will be able to come up up with a solution. Other than drilling a gigantic pigsty in the cap to remove information technology that is... Not that I heed making large holes in things or breaking stuff, that's always fun...but non overly productive at times... Thanks in accelerate Gord
welcome to the forum. without the central, there are only 2 options. jamb a regular screwdriver where the key would go and employ a pair of vice grips to forcefulness it open up ( I have done this), or drill out the lock cylinder. the latter will allow you to rebuild the main body of the cap but either way you will need another cap for parts. they aren't hard to come by. FU
The quick reply is if y'all don't want to go to a locksmith you can withal effort to pick information technology but y'all'd need a lot of patience and the proper tools. If y'all tin can advisedly pry the chrome comprehend off (tabs are at the swivel end) you can at least come across which one of the 4 types of main keys information technology needs, but y'all would all the same need the code. Does the bike have a helmet lock? does it have the same problem, different cardinal that the ignition? If aye and yep, the ignition may take been replaced only the gas cap and helmet lock are an original match. I'm non certain, but the helmet lock, if you can remove it, might have a code stamped on the back. Bring that code to the locksmith with the removed helmet lock, and for $10-$15 they can cutting a cardinal for that. With luck, it fits the gas cap besides. Otherwise, like cyclenoob says, consider the tumbler equally expendable and pry it open. Another replacement gas cap is piece of cake to source, and if you still want everything to open with one key there is a way to do that too - PM me for details if/when you lot go to that stage. One discussion of caution - if the bike sat outside for a long time, fifty-fifty the correct key may non allow a seized cylinder to plow - happened to me. With lube and patience, I finally got mine open. I have a matching prepare of helmet lock, gas cap, and ignition but unfortunately they are for a Seca 550 otherwise I'd offer them up to you as y'all are not too far away for shipping.
Thanks CN, Looks like I get to have a bit of fun wrecking things after all I'll follow up with a postal service on how information technology goes. -Gord-
What CN and 4nik8r said or take the tank to a old schoolhouse locksmith nicknamed "Peanut" similar i did and have him option the lock and paw file a primal. Gary H. Post edit: @4nik8r... you type too fast.
Thanks 4nik8r, I'll endeavour that before wrecking it, and I'll see if the ignition key works with the helmet locks equally you mentioned. I have been squirting WD40 into the key slot for the final couple of days and fluctuant the key (advisedly as to not suspension my only working ignition cardinal for the bike). It feels quite firm as though it is the incorrect key. I see you are (relatively) close by (Ottawa is 275 km eastward of me), too bad, that would have been a quick solution to swap out everything. Oh well, no pain no proceeds. I'll encounter how it goes in the am and post the results. Thanks again CN and cheers for taking the time to respond 4nik8r.
Thank you Gary, we demand more "peanut"southward out at that place. Dearest the sometime schoolhouse guys who tin can work miracles with cypher If I find a guy like that in eastern Ontario I'll postal service it.
You're welcome. I have a parts 550 Seca that I'm slowly divesting; if you find later need other parts in that location are a few that are interchangeable between the models (some electrics, minor parts, engine covers, etc.)
P.S. If y'all lose your cardinal(southward), or obtain a used gas tank that still has a (locked) cap on it merely with no key, so it may be fourth dimension for you to learn the ancient art of lock-picking: http://www.capricorn.org/~akira/home/lockpick/
Thanks Chacal, with that info I'm headed over to pick that night deposit box at the bank. So I can buy all the gas caps I want! Bwahahahaha!!
Okay, so the key works in the ignition and the helmet lock, and then I'm thinking the cap was changed at one point. The fuel tank is empty...could information technology be that the reason this seller sold the bike for a low cost is because he couldn't go fuel into information technology (after losing the cardinal)? Nah...couldn't exist that lucky...
Does the key really fit the slot, simply simply does non plow the tumbler, or does the key not fifty-fifty fit in the slot? There are iv unlike types of key "masters" used on these bikes. If the slot is different than the one for your key, the primal will not fifty-fifty slide in and for sure the cap was changed and you'd demand to break the tumbler or get it picked. HOWEVER.....if the key does fit into the slot but simply will not turn - your cap machinery may simply be seized from age and rust/crud like mine was. If that is the case, there is hope! Allow me know......
Here's a dumb question...Are yous pushing down on the cap earlier trying to plow the primal? Equally 4nik8r stated; rust, corrosion and a deteriorated cap seal may be binding it. Gary H.
Hello Gary, No such affair as a impaired question, I have been pushing, pulling, twisting and every affair else short of destroying it while trying to turn the key. But that is a good question, it may take been that simple and I may take missed it, thanks.
So here's your adjacent steps: ane. Kroil the snot out of the key slot and insert the key slowly in and out until y'all can actually experience the fundamental moving the locking pins. Wiggle the key "northward-due south" a lot and run across if you feel the pins placing whatever pressure confronting the fundamental as yous insert and remove it. If you don't accept Kroil use some other good penetrating lubricant. 2. If the key does non feel like its "engaging" any pins, those pins may be stuck and y'all may need something else in in that location to loosen them upwards. Refer back to that lock picking commodity Len posted for some expert tips of what to use (on the last folio) 3. If information technology feels similar the pins move but the lock cylinder won't turn (that was my event), effort to commencement pry off the chrome cap encompass, then the chrome cylinder cover (be conscientious that ane bends hands and has a tiny flap with hinge) At present utilize lost of Kroil/lube effectually the cylinder mating surface from the top. 4. If this still doesn't allow the key to plow it, now try using your penetrating lubricant with the applicator harbinger on the nozzle underneath the cap - use a screwdriver or other wedge to gently pry the cap up as far as possible at the 12 o'clock position, and then squirt lube in as close to tin can to the underside of the cap on each side (three o'clock and 9 o'clock). Endeavour to become lots of lube right in there, don't worry well-nigh getting information technology in the tank. The ii locking artillery may exist crudded up within non allowing the pinion connected to the cylinder to plough them Patience is key (no pun intended). Work that key with on and off clockwise pressure; just don't apply so much torque that y'all bend or (god forbid) break it, and endeavor shifting the pressure north and south in the slot as well as y'all plow. Eventually, if the primal is right, that cylinder should turn. Also, is this in a cold garage or a warm workshop? Heat volition be your friend. If the cycle is in the cold, use a rut source similar a hair dryer to locally warm your working surface area.
if you don't have a spare central, y'all may want to get one made in case you suspension your original. merely a thought. FU
Yeah, spent the afternoon looking for a place that would make a spare key for me. Unfortunately the moment you mention "motorbike" yous can see the reaction coming..."oh no, nosotros don't brand keys for motorcycles..." Oh male child. I live out in the country, not a lot of choices out here. I guess next fourth dimension I'm heading into the city I'll drop past a proper locksmith shop. I was out wiggling away at the gas cap with the primal and several gallons of WD40 (no "kroil" as this is the get-go time I've heard of it). Northward South, in out, too craven to give it much of a turn without a spare. I did rut it upward with a pigment peeler (kind've like a hairdryer on steroids) equally I'm working in an unheated barn and it'southward minus 12 Celsius out at that place today. I did talk with a guy who said he can make a spare cardinal with only a photograph, I'll see how that goes and if it works I'll mail service it here. Thanks again to everyone for your directions and comments, I'm hoping it's only a stuck cylinder...to be continued once have a spare key in my mitt. - Gord in Ontario -
just so you know, you can buy uncut key blanks on ebay for cheap, so have a local locksmith cut it for y'all. there are some neat ones out of bulgaria. I got this one for my bike... http://www.ebay.com/itm/Blank-Custo...parel_Merchandise&hash=item56333ff820&vxp=mtr I even establish matching license plate bolts. FU
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